Revelation 17 The Whore

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Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Join the Watchmen as we dive into Rev 17 and share what we “see” from the “wilderness” away from the Harlot System.

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~ by watchmenweekly on June 16, 2011.

16 Responses to “Revelation 17 The Whore”

  1. AGREED 100% PAUL SANDHU IS A DOOM TARD.

  2. God Bless the doom tarts they are needed. I consider Alex Jones a doom tart, all that give out information bits and pieces for me to digest, all helped me to come to Christ because that was they path He chose for me. I even learnt from Sherry Shriner, and she is mega nut bar…and no I never hated Paul or built a orgon blaster. Learnt from Texe Marrs and learnt from Restored Church of God who dropped me like a hot potato when I admitted I lost my job, though I had given them money. Kept the sabbath was very upset when I heard a woman on the internet say that the letter killeth and the spirit giveth life. Wow! How far I have come. All our understanding comes from the Holy Spirit and He has compassion and mercy on whom He chooses, hard saying but true. I no longer listen to Icke or shriner or Jordon or Jones, but learnt bits and pieces about the evil and corruption, hm…destruction of Babylon?? Yeah I even learnt from Walter Veigh, and then found out wow he is a Seventh Day Adventist. The Spirit even filters out what sticks and what does not and when people get caught up in stuff and doomsday agent provacateur tactics to take back our country that is because God wants you off on the highway, when He wants you to come through the narrow gate to Sion, He does, through everyone…even through scripture of the Satanic bible, even learning of the occult, teach you and draws you to Him. He even made sure I did not step into a Church, gave me enough knowledge to know I can’t go get baptized, there is no Church with the Truth I thought I had. He knows how to lead us even when we are too stupid to follow, till we come to the Truth and know Him and then follow Him.
    Jesus does not need the dark to shine, He is pure light, but we being flesh need to see the gross darkness we are surrounded in or a part of to yearn for and appreciate His Light. We are men as trees, the trees of the knowledge of good and evil and He is the tree of LIFE and we can only partake of eternal LIFE when we are in Him and He is in us, I am the LIFE He said and you gentlemen are all 144000 and you are the Light of the world. God is not seeking nice people or good people, as I tolda friend months ago and this resonated strong with him, I said , Look God is not looking for good people He is looking for Holy people. We are a holy naton and it always a pleasure to listen to your shows and once again God Bless the doom tarts too because we all do God’s work, to either wake up His people, teach His people,feed His people or chastise His people. And some are evil destroying themselves and each other. He is the master planner and all is under His control. Adelaide

  3. Brothers, you are not doom tards, you are truth speakers. Shrink not back from speaking truth. All that is available out there in mainstream news are lies. The Lord’s own crave the truth and can handle it. Be encouraged and blessed, dear brothers.. These studies you all do are such a blessing of edification and help to others, and the Lord knows your heart and all the love behind all you do. Thank you so much!. God bless you.
    cee

  4. Thanks again, guys!

    But how does “truth in scripture” pertain when the scripture Pete Wilson uses is from a counterfeit, diminished-word version of the Bible? I like what he has to say, but why does he miss the significant fact that the Bible has been counterfeited, copywritten and messed with by Satan? Is anyone else a little confused or troubled by this?

    • To Glen-

      If I may interject here: I think your point is well taken, but actually makes a case for why the Bible is not THE Word of God. In spite of the alterations (not just in the NIV, NKJV…but even in the so-called “perfect” KJV) God’s true WORD is the Lord Jesus Christ…who cannot be contained, or constrained in any three dimensional object, such as a book.

      Your books will not save you, your words will fall like stones, your understanding of HIM, based on second-hand manuscripts will become cold, dead works in the hands of a perfect God. As long as believers continue to pridefully insist that “their” Bible version is the “perfect” one…God laughs! One can find God IN the Bible, but IT is not the destination. The MAP is not the road…it is an imperfect replica. It can get you there…but it is not the “THERE” to which you travel.

      I see the spiritual pride and error of continuing this ridiculous battle of the Bibles…you curse one another over trifles based on knowledge. God does not need a Bible to speak to men…men need a Bible to remind them of WHO HE IS. God will never be diminished by the acts of man, nor is He magnified by OUR UNDERSTANDING.

      As Solomon once wrote: “All is vanity under the sun.”

      People—STOP beating each other up, and start loving and exhorting. Get a fresh word from God for yourself, and recognize that God WILLS that none should persih.

      Randy Maugans-The Threshing Floor

  5. Thanks guys for standing up for the KJV. Yes, it is a box not for God but for His children. The walls are set…”Do not add to or take away from My Word, which is forever settled in Heaven.” What a box it is… the depth is never ending, letting us go as deep as we want….& oh the height, as we climb Mt. Sion. What an amazing God, Who not only inspired it but Who is very able to preserve it. Without it your faith is nothing but sinking sand. I am gleaning much from your work.
    Thank you, Linda
    P.S. Chris, I read what you wrote when you were on The Watchman’s Cry forum & was led here!

  6. f you want to know the mystery of Our Lord Jesus Christ, read the Gospel

    Exo 24:7 And he tookH3947 the bookH5612 of the covenant,H1285 and readH7121 in the audienceH241 of the people:H5971 and they said,H559 AllH3605 thatH834 the LORDH3068 hath saidH1696 will we do,H6213 and be obedient.H8085

    Deu 17:19 And it shall beH1961 withH5973 him, and he shall readH7121 therein allH3605 the daysH3117 of his life:H2416 thatH4616 he may learnH3925 to fearH3372 (H853) the LORDH3068 his God,H430 to keepH8104 (H853) allH3605 the wordsH1697 of thisH2063 lawH8451 and theseH428 statutes,H2706 to doH6213 them:

    Read 66 verses
    Spiritual Israel the Israel of God

    Deu 31:11 When allH3605 IsraelH3478 is comeH935 to appearH7200 (H853) beforeH6440 the LORDH3068 thy GodH430 in the placeH4725 whichH834 he shall choose,H977 thou shalt readH7121 (H853) thisH2063 lawH8451 beforeH5048 allH3605 IsraelH3478 in their hearing.H241

    Jos 8:34 And afterwardH310 H3651 he readH7121 (H853) allH3605 the wordsH1697 of the law,H8451 the blessingsH1293 and cursings,H7045 according to allH3605 that is writtenH3789 in the bookH5612 of the law.H8451

    Jos 8:35 There wasH1961 notH3808 a wordH1697 of allH4480 H3605 thatH834 MosesH4872 commanded,H6680 whichH834 JoshuaH3091 readH7121 notH3808 beforeH5048 allH3605 the congregationH6951 of Israel,H3478 with the women,H802 and the littleH2945 ones, and the strangersH1616 that were conversantH1980 amongH7130 them.

    2Ki 22:8 And HilkiahH2518 the highH1419 priestH3548 saidH559 untoH5921 ShaphanH8227 the scribe,H5608 I have foundH4672 the bookH5612 of the lawH8451 in the houseH1004 of the LORD.H3068 And HilkiahH2518 gaveH5414 (H853) the bookH5612 toH413 Shaphan,H8227 and he readH7121 it.

    2Ki 22:10 And ShaphanH8227 the scribeH5608 shewedH5046 the king,H4428 saying,H559 HilkiahH2518 the priestH3548 hath deliveredH5414 me a book.H5612 And ShaphanH8227 readH7121 it beforeH6440 the king.H4428

    2Ki 22:16 ThusH3541 saithH559 the LORD,H3068 Behold,H2009 I will bringH935 evilH7451 uponH413 thisH2088 place,H4725 and uponH5921 the inhabitantsH3427 thereof, even(H853) allH3605 the wordsH1697 of the bookH5612 whichH834 the kingH4428 of JudahH3063 hath read:H7121

    (Gospel Truth))

    2Ki 23:2 And the kingH4428 went upH5927 into the houseH1004 ((You are the Temple of the Lord))of the LORD,H3068 and allH3605 the menH376 of JudahH3063 and allH3605 the inhabitantsH3427 of JerusalemH3389 withH854 him, and the priests,H3548 and the prophets,H5030 and allH3605 the people,H5971 both smallH4480 H6996 and great:H1419 and he readH7121 in their earsH241 (H853) allH3605 the wordsH1697 of the bookH5612 of the covenantH1285 which was foundH4672 in the houseH1004 of the LORD.H3068

    2Ch 34:30 And the kingH4428 went upH5927 into the houseH1004 of the LORD,H3068 and allH3605 the menH376 of Judah,H3063 and the inhabitantsH3427 of Jerusalem,H3389 and the priests,H3548 and the Levites,H3881 and allH3605 the people,H5971 greatH4480 H1419 and small:H6996 and he readH7121 in their earsH241 (H853) allH3605 the wordsH1697 of the bookH5612 of the covenantH1285 that was foundH4672 in the houseH1004 of the LORD.H3068

    Ezr 4:18 The letterH5407 whichH1768 ye sentH7972 untoH5922 us hath been plainlyH6568 readH7123 beforeH6925 me.

    Neh 8:3 And he readH7121 therein beforeH6440 the streetH7339 thatH834 was beforeH6440 the waterH4325 gateH8179 fromH4480 the morningH216 untilH5704 midday,H4276 H3117 beforeH5048 the menH376 and the women,H802 and those that could understand;H995 and the earsH241 of allH3605 the peopleH5971 were attentive untoH413 the bookH5612 of the law.H8451

    Neh 8:8 So they readH7121 in the bookH5612 in the lawH8451 of GodH430 distinctly,H6567 and gaveH7760 the sense,H7922 and caused them to understandH995 ((Wise as the Serpent))the reading.H4744

    Find some Rest in Jesus Christ

    Neh 9:3 And they stood upH6965 inH5921 their place,H5977 and readH7121 in the bookH5612 of the lawH8451 of the LORDH3068 their GodH430 one fourthH7243 part of the day;H3117 and another fourthH7243 part they confessed,H3034 and worshippedH7812 the LORDH3068 their God.H430

    Read the Lively Stone Gospel

    Isa 29:11 And the visionH2380 of allH3605 is becomeH1961 unto you as the wordsH1697 of a bookH5612 that is sealed,H2856 whichH834 men deliverH5414 toH413 one that is learned,H3045 H5612 saying,H559 ReadH7121 this,H2088 I pray thee:H4994 and he saith,H559 I cannot;H3201 H3808 forH3588 itH1931 is sealed:H2856
    Isa 29:12 And the bookH5612 is deliveredH5414 toH5921 him thatH834 is not learned,H3045 H3808 H5612 saying,H559 ReadH7121 this,H2088 I pray thee:H4994 and he saith,H559 I am not learned.H3045 H3808 H5612
    Isa 29:13 Wherefore the LordH136 said,H559 ForasmuchH3282 H3588 as thisH2088 peopleH5971 draw nearH5066 me with their mouth,H6310 and with their lipsH8193 do honourH3513 me, but have removed their heart farH7368 H3820 fromH4480 me, and their fearH3374 towardH854 me isH1961 taughtH3925 by the preceptH4687 of men:H376
    Isa 29:14 Therefore,H3651 behold,H2009 I will proceedH3254 to do a marvellous workH6381 amongH854 thisH2088 people,H5971 even a marvellous workH6381 and a wonder:H6382 for the wisdomH2451 of their wiseH2450 men shall perish,H6 and the understandingH998 of their prudentH995 men shall be hid.H5641
    Isa 29:15 WoeH1945 unto them that seek deepH6009 to hideH5641 their counselH6098 from the LORD,H4480 H3068 and their worksH4639 areH1961 in the dark,H4285 and they say,H559 WhoH4310 seethH7200 us? and whoH4310 knowethH3045 us?
    Isa 29:16 SurelyH518 your turning of things upside downH2017 shall be esteemedH2803 as the potter’sH3335 clay:H2563 forH3588 shall the workH4639 sayH559 of him that madeH6213 it, He madeH6213 me not?H3808 or shall the thing framedH3336 ((purpose))sayH559 of him that framedH3335((Potter)) it, He had no understanding?H995 H3808
    Isa 29:17 Is it notH3808 yetH5750 a veryH4213 little while,H4592 and LebanonH3844 shall be turnedH7725 into a fruitful field,H3759 and the fruitful fieldH3759 shall be esteemedH2803 as a forest?H3293
    Isa 29:18 And in thatH1931 dayH3117 shall the deafH2795 hearH8085 the wordsH1697 of the book,H5612 and the eyesH5869 of the blindH5787 shall seeH7200 out of obscurity,H4480 H652 and out of darkness.H4480 H2822
    Isa 29:19 The meekH6035 also shall increaseH3254 their joyH8057 in the LORD,H3068 and the poorH34 among menH120 shall rejoiceH1523 in the Holy OneH6918 of Israel.H3478
    Isa 29:20 ForH3588 the terrible oneH6184 is brought to nought,H656 and the scornerH3887 is consumed,H3615 and allH3605 that watchH8245 for iniquityH205 are cut off:H3772
    Isa 29:21 That make a man an offenderH2398 H120 for a word,H1697 and lay a snareH6983 for him that reprovethH3198 in the gate,H8179 and turn asideH5186 the justH6662 for a thing of nought.H8414
    Isa 29:22 ThereforeH3651 thusH3541 saithH559 the LORD,H3068 whoH834 redeemedH6299 (H853) Abraham,H85 concerningH413 the houseH1004 of Jacob,H3290 JacobH3290 shall notH3808 nowH6258 be ashamed,H954 neitherH3808 shall his faceH6440 nowH6258 wax pale.H2357
    Isa 29:23 But whenH3588 he seethH7200 his children,H3206 the workH4639 of mine hands,H3027 in the midstH7130 of him, they shall sanctifyH6942 my name,H8034 and sanctifyH6942 (H853) the Holy OneH6918 of Jacob,H3290 and shall fearH6206 the GodH430 of Israel.H3478
    Isa 29:24 They also that erredH8582 in spiritH7307 shall comeH3045 to understanding,H998 and they that murmuredH7279 shall learnH3925 doctrine.H3948

    Isa 34:16 SeekH1875 ye out ofH4480 H5921 the bookH5612 of the LORD,H3068 and read:H7121 noH3808 oneH259 of theseH4480 H2007 shall fail,H5737 noneH3808 H802 shall wantH6485 her mate:H7468 forH3588 my mouthH6310 itH1931 hath commanded,H6680 and his spiritH7307 itH1931 hath gatheredH6908 them.

    Isa 34:1 Come near,H7126 ye nations,H1471 to hear;H8085 and hearken,H7181 ye people:H3816 let the earthH776 hear,H8085 and all that is therein;H4393 the world,H8398 and all thingsH3605 that come forthH6631 of it.

  7. William Tyndale said that you can not get the meaning out of the bible in the flesh of the 3 dimensional mind of man. Unlike Luther and Calvin, Tyndale read the scriptures from the spiritual dimension and was far ahead in understanding than Luther, Calvin and the reformationists of his time. This is because Tyndale was not a builder like the Protestant reformationists.

    Because the kingdom of heaven of which the scripture testify to the word of God, may be so locked up, that he which readeth it, or heareth it cannot understand it. As Christ testified how the scribes and Pharisees had so shut it up (Matt. 23) and had taken away the keys of knowledge (Luke 11). The Jews which thought themselves with in, were yet so locked out, and are still to this day that they can understand no sentence of the scriptures unto their salvation though they can rehearse the text inside out, and dispute there of as subtly as the pompous doctors of dunces and dark learning which with their sophistry, served as the Pharisees did the Jews.
    William Tyndale

    (Same understanding applies today within the church of the Christian Pharisees).

    From the prologue to the scriptures.
    Though a man had a precious jewel and a rich one, yet if he wist not the value there of nor wherefore it served, he were neither the better nor richer of a straw.
    Even so though we read the scripture and babel of it never so much, yet if we know not the use of it, and wherefore it was given, and what is therein to be sought, it profiteth us nothing at all. It is not enough therefore to read and speak of it only, but we must also desire God day and night instantly to open our eyes, and to make us understand and feel wherefore the scripture was given, that we may apply the medicine of the scripture, every man to his own sores, unless that we intend to be idle disputers, and brawlers about vain words, ever gnaughing upon the bitter bark without and never attaining unto the sweet pith within. While persecuting one another for defending of lewd imaginations and fantasies of our own invention.

    William Tyndale

    Ezek. 28-17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness.

    Lucifer’s pride corrupted the wisdom with the brightness of his own intellect. (he was so smart that he corrupt the wisdom that was given to him)

    Bill Johnson

  8. The KJV is spirit inspired and Holy…and is the WORD of God.
    It inspires faith, it reveals prophecy, in instructs in salvation and so much more. You can be saved without a Bible for God is not contained in a Bible, but if you seek Him you would love to read His Word. I don’t see anyone cursing others that stick to other Bibles when all the proof is there the other Bibles are of another spirit, the spirit of those that want to diminish the Word. They can continue reading any Bible they like and seek and seek, but the remnant can find Him and The Holy Spirit speaks to the remnant today and we love to stick to the true Word, the KJV, which by the way is being done away with, hm wonder why. Man does not live by bread alone. That is true, there is pizza, fruit, souvlaki, quiche, poutine, salad, cake …. The KJV says Man does not live by bread alone but by every Word of God. Where to find that? Could try to read the KJV where it actually tells you that. I can tell the difference with a spirit filled book, the Holy Spirit as opposed with another type of spirit.
    However no one curses anyone here. He uses us all for His purpose, His plan, His will. And He can save anyone if they are His even if they are reading a NKJV or NIV or whatever. It is natural that the remnant will be tried, but we do not bend to the wind. Adelaide

  9. To Adelaide, who posted the below post: Come and reproof/rebuke me to my face! In all your scripture quoting you missed the Matthew 18—so bring someone with you…a MALE…one with authority…you are a woman with no standing, and are completely out of line. -Randy Maugans

    To those of likemind: keep this in mind:
    Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.
    2 Corinthians 6: 17, 18
    Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
    And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
    Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    Mark 14: 56 For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together.
    Matthew 15: 18, 19
    But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
    For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
    Matthew 24: 24, 25 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    Behold, I have told you before.
    Luke 18: 7, 8
    And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
    I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
    Revelation 14: 5
    And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
    Philippians 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
    Zephaniah 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.

    So take heed that no man deceive you, a man’s enemy is that of his own house, unless you can admonish him like a brother and he repent. And be ye separate, a holy nation, serving the LORD with one accord (one speech) , one consent (one burden), one mind (one understanding).

    Adelaide

  10. Randy,

    You wrote the following…confusing since we do not have books, we have the Holy KJV Bible and possibly the concordance. As you know our sister Sue was led to much understanding with these two tools. Her understanding coming from God. And she became a great teacher to the remnant, this was God’s will. She did not anoint herself.

    “Your books will not save you, your words will fall like stones, your understanding of HIM, based on second-hand manuscripts will become cold, dead works in the hands of a perfect God. As long as believers continue to pridefully insist that “their” Bible version is the “perfect” one…God laughs! One can find God IN the Bible, but IT is not the destination. The MAP is not the road…it is an imperfect replica. It can get you there…but it is not the “THERE” to which you travel. end

    Jesus Christ saves us, He is the Word and the Holy Spirt gives us understanding. We are true believers and there is no pride in us. We are on mount Zion with the Lamb. We know where we are.
    Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

    If the Bible is the MAP – very blessed map it is – for we are with Him spiritually and know where we stand. More will be revealed to us, even if our KJVs are taken away…the Holy Spirit will bring all to remembrance and teach, so we continue despite ridicule and attacks for we are the elect, and we will always be in the know even with no computers, no shows, no internet, no electricity. We have all we need in Jesus Christ including discernment and we let no man deceive us.

    Brother Randy, I thank you for your concern but the elect will be accounted worthy to escape all that will come to pass for we continue in the Word and grow in knowledge and wisdom given us by the Holy Spirit and He will do nothing unless He reveal it to His servants, the prophets.

    Let my words stand for the elect to be comforted and to be encouraged and to stand strong knowing they cannot be led astray and will condtinue to stand to the end.

    God Bless you Bill, Chris, Bob and Sue and all the other likeminded remnant, and the multitude that will be joining us soon.

    I let my witness stand. Keep me in your thoughts and prayers, and I will keep you in mine. I continue to always learn and be filled with the Holy Spirit when I listen to these shows and it is so good to fellowship with others of the little flock. You know you are always in my thoughts and that I love you. And know that I will never worry that you will turn into foolish Galations, for you have the seal of God and are already redeemed from the earth.

    Adelaide

  11. Not to put Tyndale on any pedistal, but it is amazing to see the insight of the man who first translated the bible into English from the majority Greek text.

    Paul in the 3rd chapter of the 2nd epistle sayeth; that the scripture is good to teach (for that aught men to teach the scriptures and not dreams of their own making , as the Pope doeth). And also to improve, for the scripture is the touch stone that trieth all doctrines, and by that we know the false from the truth. He called it the sword of the Spirit, because it killeth hypocrites and uttereth and proveth their false imaginations and inventions, sayethin the book Ephesians. In Romans he sayeth all that are written are for our learning, that we through patience, and comfort through the scriptures we might have hope. That is, the examples in the scriptures comfort us in our tribulations, and make us put our trust in God comma, and patiently abide in Him. In Corinthians he bringeth examples of the scripture to fear God and to bridle the flesh, that we cast not the yoke of Christ from of our necks, and fall to lusts and the doing of evil.
    William Tyndale

  12. Adelaide-
    You made my point beautifully…with great legalism and condemnation…and a ton of scripture quoting. Yes, my post was in response to Glen, who openly questioned another believer over his use of another Bible. This is exactly my point—this is the heart of brutal legalism and religious spirit.

    For your information Adelaide…I was involved with the shows Sue Patterson did for five years…Sue did not do those shows alone…thanks! I see your spirit…and I see the spirit behind the “Bible quoters”….thank God you people left Threshing Floor!

    Also for your information: I still speak with Sue—who can’t do shows due to her work schedule. We will, I am certain do more shows in the future together, as we are called…Sue is not a legalist, and her heart is right, which is why she and I can do the studies we’ve done.

    There’s no nice way to say this: YOU make me want to puke! You are a Pharisee of the first order with your judgmentalism and disrespectful attitude. Were you to actually practice what the Lord spoke instead of sitting on your ass being self-righteous, you would have a witness…your words are twice-dead!

    And—I am NOT your “brother”…

    Randy Maugans

  13. Joe Lunchboxes:

    I would have sent this comment in a private email if any such links were indicated at your site, but I have no other recourse. I saw the mess that was created with the comments before they were removed. Nothing short of pathetic,

    Firstly, you(s) are representing Jesus Christ.. call yourselves something else other than the somewhat derogatory term of “lunch boxes”, something with a little more respect and reverence. Maybe just brothers would be much better.

    Bob, the public defamation, and chuckles from the other 2 co-hosts, of a brother whom Bill just did an interview with, was unchristian. If you have an issue with anyone…. you know the right way to do it. Study to find yourself approved… yes… take your own advice. Also stop calling your listening brothers and sisters “audience” Calling them audience makes you all nothing more than performers.

    Further as a result of the arrogancy and pride displayed by the 3 of you, know that I am through listening to your program, at least for a while. Your attitudes and much new doctrine, wreak of gnosticism. No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. I noticed that you are rapidly weaning yourselves off of the serpent/scorpion teachings from a major female contributor to your doctrine. Why is that? And I also heard your opinion of James Strong whom I am neither condoning nor condemning. After all it is James Strongs’ Concordance that is the basis of Sue and Randy’s study. Every word from the studied biblical passage was looked up in the strong’s concordance or dictionary and the new metaphorical interpretation of bible was hatched from the selections of the list of definitions. Quite a significant conflict is presented here. I must say it makes me wary and it makes me nervous. I will go with the Holy Spirit revealing the truth to me rather than a couple of earthly ministries which have of late become obviously dubious.

    Chris, your interview of someone who shall remain nameless, on a show called “Do the Math” revealed yourself as the biggest sycophant I have ever heard. It was nauseating. I challenge all of you to listen to that interview again and not reach the same opinion as me. I dare you. For all of you.. when you give more praise to a guest or to some other human or human reference other than Jesus Christ .. well…. you have your reward. One more thing Chris… your adjective… “stinkin” bibles was way out of line. I cannot let you or anyone else get away with that. Repent. Not surprisingly you were not rebuked by your cohosts.

    I have heard so much varied use of the word “gospel ” in your teachings that I really don’t think that any of you are sure what the true gospel is. I Corinthians 1-8. This is what you should be preaching and no more. In future I suggest that you be more careful how you use the word ‘gospel”.

    I have no doubt of your sincerity and intent while recording your teachings but I do have issues when you go into a narrow “group think”. You are creating your own dialectic… do you realize that???

    Bill… you seem to be the voice of authority for the group.. but when I heard you say during a pre-show .. let”s say the Lord’s Prayer before the live show”.. and then all we heard was 30 seconds of silence. Both of you should have prayed out loud. You should start each program with an audible prayer and maybe finish the program that way. At least you guys would be more believable. Bill, Your knowledge of world history and its bearing on the spreading of the word is admirable, helpful and refreshing.

    Gentlemen,
    and those who choose to bicker over topics that have no bearing on their salvation, return to your “first love” as in the Book of Revelation amid references to the church of Ephesus.

    I know that you will edit this comment out, as were the some 8-10 other comments that were posted here only yesterday. I don’t know why you even left any of the comments up. The word doom-tard ruined the whole show. Do you realize that? You all have egg on your face. Shame.

    No, I am not holier than thou.. and I remind us all that we all deserve to go to hell and but for the works of Christ on the cross.. that is where we would all end up.

    Give up on your current events section of your program. I, and I dare say others, am tired of someone’s excuses in not having it prepared for the show.. and instead shoots from the hip with nothing but “filler” and of extremely limited scope.

    I think a bible study program on the word “simplicity” as in “simplicity that is in Christ”, is in order. Maybe it would quell the useless bickering in the comments area.

    Preach Christ and Him Crucified.

    I pray for each and every one of you and for all your listeners.

    Just another struggling Christian looking for the truth.

    PS

    Some inspiration for your future shows.

    1Ki 19:11,12
    And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD.
    And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD;
    BUT THE LORD WAS NOT IN THE WIND:
    and after the wind an earthquake;
    BUT THE LORD WAS NOT IN THE EARTHQUAKE:

    And after the earthquake a fire;
    BUT THE LORD WAS NOT IN THE FIRE:

    and after the fire a STILL SMALL VOICE.

  14. Dear struggling Christian; Jesus said when you pray go into a closet and pray alone, I do not need to make public desplayes in my prayers, Jesus refered to these as vain babelings. If you notice in scripture Jesus always went away by himself to pray alone. Peter was just a fisherman, he had no credentials from man, he was chosen to be a dicipel and kept being a fisherman as well. He had thick skin and came from the tribe of Simeon ( the rough and tumble type) I also have thick skin, and am a mere simpletin.

    Personally speaking for myself I do not recommend any dependency on concordances. I have found them all to be corrupt. Vines, and Young’s are also in error, the KJB is actually its own dictionary. I do use Strongs, and Vines on occasions, as well as the 1828 Websters dictionary, but I do not depend on them (scripture defines scripture).

    You obviously havent done your home work concerning James Strong. He greatly diminished the Diety of Christ in his first works with Thayler in the 1901 ASV. James Strong was driven also by universalism that being from his perspective that ‘other’ religions are to be respected. Strongs ASV in many places in the text turn a stern warning into a mild jesture.

    Strong’s complete Concordance relience is often a reading of Strong’s corrupt 1901 ASV. which is now seen often in versions such as the NIV, NASB, NKJV, ESV, HCSB, NAB, NJB etc. Here are some examples:

    King James Bible
    Strong’s American Standard Version 1901

    ROMANS 1-20
    American Standard Version
    For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and (((divinity))); that they may be without excuse:

    King James Bible
    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    Godhead is in the KJB 3 times and has significant meaning as each of those 3 times is identifies each member of the Godhead. Here in Romans 1-20
    it is speaking of the Holy Spirit. divinity with a small “d” is a horrible rendering and very misleading, and diminishes the triune nature of God.

    American Standard Version Matthew 23-8
    But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your (((teacher))), and all ye are brethren.

    King James Bible
    But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.

    Once again James Strong diminishes Christ with the word teacher small “t”
    Master and teacher have very different meanings.

    American Standard Version ACTS 24-
    But this I confess unto thee, that after the Way which they call (((a sect))), so serve I the God of our fathers, believing all things which are according to the law, and which are written in the prophets;

    King James Bible
    But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

    Sect or party is another blunder and very misleading. “Heresy” is all together by far the correct rendering.

    American Standard Version 1 JOHN 5-7
    And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

    King James Bible
    For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    Here once again Strong totaly diminishes the trinity.

    I could write you out dozens more but I dont have the time.

    There are a whole plithera of religious shows which are CAPITAL “C” Churchity, religiously, and politicaly correct shows on the net. I suggest you go and find one. Better yet seek God to annoit you, and you can have your own studies on the net. I am no kingpin of the three of us, their are no big shots in this group, Jesus is the only BIG SHOT of the bunch. I point people knowhere but to Jesus Christ.

    Bill Johnson

  15. I might add also that we are the lowest of “joe lunchbox crews” God is no respector of persons.

    Matthew 23 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

    God Bless
    Bill

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